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False Profits: Learning from 1990s whisky scams

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Whisky scams remain an issue today and the essence of them are still very similar to those that went on 25 years ago. In Whisky Magazine Volume 1 Issue 2, an article written by Jim Budd (copied below) discusses some of the then current scams of the 1990s.

Ironically they discuss one case of overpaying for a cask of Macallan. They paid £4,092 when “Scotch Industry sources estimate that [it was] actually worth between £600 and £650.” Whoever bought that cask did not do too badly out of being scammed – that cask of Macallan is probably worth more than £150,000 today.

The same cannot be same for the purchasers of the ‘Grandtully’ whisky that was actually whisky from the far less prestigious Speyside distillery. Or anyone who ‘owned’ one of the £1.3million worth of unfulfilled orders of mainly Isle of Arran casks purchased from James Devereaux Ltd when they ceased trading in 1996.

The lessons to be learn about buying casks are still the same today:

  • Do not let yourself be pressured into a purchase by a smooth-talking salesperson– always go away and do your own separate research.
  • Get a second opinion wherever possible – we offer free cask valuations, or you can use the cask calculator to get a per bottle price for a cask that cam be compared to current auction prices for similar bottles.
  • Use Companies House to check the claims being made by companies about their dates of operation and any projects that they may have been involved in before.
  • If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
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False Profits

From Whisky Magazine Volume 1 Issue 2.

“The arrest of a businessman on Wednesday December 2 at Luton Airport while waiting to board a plane to return home to Gibraltar, and his later charging at Bow Street Magistrates Court, London , on two counts of conspiring to defraud, has opened a new chapter in the whisky investment saga.

He was given bail until February 25 1999 and had to surrender his passport. His arrest comes 22 months after the Serious Fraud Office and the Fraud Squad began a joint investigation into some 30 drinks investment companies. He is accused of conspiring with four other men representing Pearldene and Hamilton Spirit Management. The other four have not been charged.

Pearldene, which traded as Cavendish Wine Merchants and sold whisky as an investment, was founded in September 1993 and went into liquidation in 1996. Hamilton was closed down by the Department of Trade and Industry and the Gibraltarian authorities in September 1997.

Pearldene and Hamilton Spirit Management were just two of a whole raft of drinks investment companies that sprang up between 1993 and 1996. They offered not just whisky, Cognac and port but also Champagne on the premise of a shortage caused by Millennium celebrations.

At first sight investing in a new-fill cask of malt seems attractive. What could be better than to make some money out of your favourite dram? Unfortunately, it is not that simple. There is only a very limited secondary market in casks of whisky. Multi-national companies like UDV are simply not interested in the odd cask that a private individual may hold. Furthermore most of the investment companies that sprang up between 1993 and 1996 sold casks of whisky at wildly inflated prices, usually several times their real value.

The bubble burst at the end of 1996. First James Devereaux Ltd, which had offices in London’s Mayfair and a shop in London’s Burlington Arcade, ceased trading in November 1996 with estimated debts of £1.9 million, which included £1.3 million of unfulfilled customer orders. The company had mainly sold casks of Isle of Arran whisky.”

A selection of Investment brouchures from Gleneagles Spirit Management and The Spirit Company as printed in Whisky Magazine Volume 2.
A selection of Investment brouchures from Gleneagles Spirit Management and The Spirit Company as printed in Whisky Magazine Volume 2.

“In mid-December 1996 the Department of Trade and Industry started to close down ‘in the public interest’ many drinks investment companies. Others either went into liquidation or ceased trading. Now there appear to be none of these compa­ nies based in the UK. There are, however, still several companies operating elsewhere in the world. Australia is currently one of the countries attracting the attention of the whisky ‘investment’ gurus.

One of these new whisky investment businesses is The Spirit Company, which has recently mounted a sales drive from an office in Adelaide. It offers a range of casks from well-known distilleries such as Macallan (Millennium brand label), Ardbeg, Glen Grant, Springbank, Bowmore and Talisker. The Spirit Company is based in Amsterdam but is registered in Gibraltar. It was incorporated on February 18 1997, which is curious in the light of a paragraph from its standard introductory letter. ‘As a result, private investors now account for over 35 per cent of our business (as opposed to three per cent in 1994) and there is no reason why this trend should not continue.’

The company’s sole director lives in Sark, Channel Islands, and was appointed on March 11 1998. One investor recently bought a hogshead of Macallan 1989 for £4,092. Scotch industry sources estimate that this is actually worth between £600 and £650.

Mondeley International Ltd, which trades as Gleneagles Spirit Management from an address in Sydney, was registered in the Bahamas in March 1997. Its two directors also live in Sark. Channel Islands. In May 1997 Gleneagles was offering new-fil casks of Drumguish from the Speyside Distillery Company. It was charging AU$3,450 (£1,627equivalent) for a hogshead (55 gallons). At the time the trade price was around £400. It also offered a sherry butt (110 gallons) for AU$6,300 (£2,972 equivalent).  Estimated trade price was between £750 and £800. By October 1998 prices to ‘investors’ had risen to AU$4,995 (£1,921) for the hogshead andAU$8,995 (£3,460) for the butt. Taking into account currency fluctuations, this rise of 17 per cent is difficult to justify by present worldwide sales trends.

Gleneagles Spirit Management’s malt comes from intriguing source, the Speyside distillery. The distillery is close to the small town of Kingussie on the banks of the River Tromie and is owned by the Christie family. The first spirit distilled in January 1991. On a page entitled ‘Investment’ Speyside’s website is offering a hogshead of Speyside US$1,400 (approximately £850) – certainly better value than buying through Gleneagles. The price includes five years insurance and storage. Described as a ‘golden opportunity’ potential purchasers are assured that ‘nobody in  the Scotch Whisky Industry is more demanding. George Christie and his family are determined never to let their customers down. The quality of the whisky is a matter of family pride. So are the standards of the outlets. Throughout the world, the products of the company are on sale only at the most prestigious stores.’

Customers of Marshall Wineries might beg to differ. On August 24 1993, an agreement to buy new-fill casks was signed between Speyside and Grandtully Distilleries Ltd. Grandtully was an associate company of Marshall Wineries, which was set up by Stephen Jupe in August 1993. Speyside’s casks were sold by Marshall under the name of Grandtully Single Malt Whisky. There had indeed once been a Grandtully distillery near Aberfeldy in Perthshire but this closed around 1910. Marshall Wineries went into liquidation in December 1996 with debts of some £700,000, which included £135,000 of unfulfilled orders The Insolvency Service have started proceedings against Jupe under section 6 of the Company Director ‘s Disqualification Act 1986.

Potential purchasers of Speyside casks may be interested to know that Grandtully agreed to pay £1.70 a litre for Speyside Single Malt. Including the cost of the cask and five years storage and insurance, a hogshead would have cost Marshall Wineries £525.10. Although production costs will have risen since 1993, they are unlikely to have risen by very much and today because of the economic situation in the Far East the Scotch whisky industry is certainly not operating at full capacity.

The Tasmanian Distillery Pty Ltd in Hobart Tasmania also tempts Internet surfers to buy whisky from its website. It offers casks of Australian whisky under the name Sullivans Cove to private clients. Its brochure claims that ‘The prestigious leading Australian Wine Auctioneers – Langton’s in association with Christie’s, have agreed to include our customers’ casks in their regular auctions across Australia.’

Unfortunately its Internet site currently fails to mention a couple of significant details. Firstly Langton’s has not agreed to include casks in its auctions. Stephen Langton, managing director of Langton’s, says he had a telephone conversation with Robert Hosken, managing director of The Tasmanian Distillery, about two years ago. They did not even discuss commissions and Langton has not heard from Hosken since.

More significantly, there is no mention of Hosken’s current difficulties with the Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC). On June 23 1998 Hosken and his wife, Heather, were convicted of insolvent trading by a Hobart magistrate’s court. The charges were brought by the ASIC and refer to the collapse in 1989 of the Launceston International Hotel. They relate to over 450 ASIC charges of insolvent trading and debts of AU$335,000. Hosken was also found guilty of using approximately AU$113,000 for ‘purposes unrelated to the company’. Hosken is currently appealing against the conviction.

Anyone who has any doubts about a whisky investment they have made should contact Paul Smith, himself a former investor, at The Malt Whisky Buyers Helpline on 01539 729580. The helpline was set up in 1997 and now has over 2,000 members. The happy news is that, if you paid for your investment cask by credit card, there is a good chance that you will get your money back because of the consumer protection clauses.

If you are telephoned by smooth talking, high pressure salespeople trying to persuade you to invest in casks of whisky, do not be tempted. Their promises of fat profits are almost certainly bogus.”

Written by Jim Budd for Issue 2 of Whisky Magazine.

If you would like to know more about how to make an informed cask purchase then please explore our extensive online cask investment guides. You can also contact us by email or give the office a call on 01260 218 718 and we will be happy to answer your questions.

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10:52 20 Jan 21
During the last 12 months I have been actively making tentative enquiries to sell my whisky collection, which I had been collecting for more than 20 years. During this time I had been in discussions with various very well known whisky retailers online, with a view to them purchasing the bottles from me or finding prospective buyers. After many phone calls, emails and conversations, I was left feeling very frustrated and bewildered at their lack of communication in general and commitment to providing me with a service. That was until I discovered Mark Littler through an oline post that had been sent to me from a family member, which highlighted a high profile sale Mark had recently been engaged in. I decided to contact Mark the following day and within hours he had come straight back to me and offered to work with me to sell my collection. This was quite astonishing given the lack of communication that I had received from others. From the outset Mark has always been professional, courteous and friendly, which has made my own experience of using Mark's services an absolute pleasure. His individual care and approach to everything he undertakes on your behalf in providing you with a service is nothing short of exemplary. In no time at all Mark has already sold a much sought after vertical in my collection and I am delighted with the outcome. I would not hesitate in recommending Mark to anyone attempting to sell their own collection.
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20:19 19 Jan 21
I got in touch with Mark having read one of his articles online. I was thinking of investing in a cask and had an offer from a company that shall remain nameless. At this point I thought I should seek independent advice. Mark's professional and informative approach to my questions was excellent. He basically saved me from making a huge potential mistake investing with a company that were not throwing straight dice and trying to pitch sales based on false information. I may add that at this point Mark was not pitching any sale to myself, merely offering good, genuine and free advice.I later had the opportunity to use Mark as a consultant to invest in my first Cask. I have found him to be very professional, knowledgeable, courteous and friendly.I feel lucky to have sounded out Mark as a broker and hope to be using him again in the future. I can not recommend him and his team highly enough for their help and time!
Pankaj Khushani
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07:57 06 Jan 21
It was an absolute pleasure dealing with Mark. I was looking to buy a cask of whisky and spoke with numerous brokers. The response, transparency and authenticity from Mark was the one that I liked the most. I highly recommend visiting Mark's website and the process outlined by him to own a whisky cask is the most exhaustive and helps you understand the nuances of owning the cask. I highly recommend Mark and will surely be buying through him again.
Dean Reeves
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15:16 29 Dec 20
Recently, I made enquiries with Mark about buying a whisky cask.He very promptly answered all my questions and gave me all the information I needed to make an informed decision.He was thoroughly professional and there was never any pressure to buy, just support and step-by-step instructions.I am very pleased with the outcome of my cask investment and I look forward to working with Mark again in the future.
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10:49 23 Dec 20
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Stephen Ferrie
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13:05 22 Dec 20
Mark was thoroughly professional and efficient in helping my family get a great deal in buying some whisky casks.We received a very friendly, quick and personable service with regular updates throughout the process.Highly recommended and greatly appreciated!
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20:05 21 Dec 20
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Neil Clements
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15:53 20 Dec 20
Mark did exactly what he promised to do and achieved a good price for the whiskey cask which he sold for us. We were kept informed of what was going on and the whole transaction was hassle free.
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14:58 21 Nov 20
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Alan Perkins
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Football Freestyler
17:26 02 Jun 20
Mark was very helpful to me and my family , he is so knowledgeable about whisky, and with his valued advice I was able to sort out my children’s investment easily with confidence. Thank you so much Mark for all your advice and help, I would strongly recommend Mark to anyone.
Jennifer Telliam
Jennifer Telliam
23:34 15 May 20
Very reliable and professional company who I will use again in the future.
David McDonnell
David McDonnell
07:41 15 May 20
Professional service who are also adapting to the challenging new world we are all living in.
James Ritchie
James Ritchie
10:16 22 Apr 20
Fantastic service from start to finish well informed about my item will not hesitate to use again.
Tom Withycombe
Tom Withycombe
10:37 19 Apr 20
Mark and Hanna were a pleasure to deal with when selling my bottle of Macallan 25 y.o. whisky. Everything was handled smoothly, expertly and with no pressure. The courier facility offered is excellent and the sale concluded very quickly and simply. In these days of increasingly doing business on the Internet this experience was top class and I have no hesitation in using Mark's company for similar future business; Top Class!!
Stuart fox
Stuart fox
23:13 14 Apr 20
Thanks mark for your professional advice on selling my whisky very happy with the outcome.Will definitely use again thanks.Stuart.
Georgina Shreeve
Georgina Shreeve
12:33 14 Apr 20
Brilliant service from start to finish, highly recommend Mark! Thank you so much for making the sale so easy for me and for providing such a personal service. Thanks again, Georgina Russell
Dot Penn
Dot Penn
15:26 30 Mar 20
Be patient for great returns.When I came to sell my 10yr old Hogshead of whisky Mark was able to obtain a final price for me that was more than three times the sell back figure to Bruichladdich.Professional from the start. Once Mark had the re-guage figures all I had to do was sit back and let him do the rest. Very efficient and hassel free.A pleasure to do business with and will definetly be contacting him again when my next barrel matures.Thankyou Mark for doing all the hard work.
Steve Pears
Steve Pears
19:37 26 Mar 20
Just over 10 years ago I visited the Bruichladdich distillery and bought a newly filled fresh bourbon barrel. Having allowed it to mature I needed to decide what to do with it. Bruichladdich made an unattractive offer to buy it back.I became aware of Mark Littler, from a Google search. I contacted him based on the many positive reviews. After talking to him and learning of his experience of selling casks I commissioned him to sell my cask.Dealing with Mark has been a pleasure, he has guided me through the process and I have received over 3 times the offer from Bruichladdich.I have found Mark to be realistic and helpful and I recommend his services.
James Godfrey
James Godfrey
10:36 26 Mar 20
Mark was excellent from start to finish in dealing with our whiskey cask sale. I highly recommend his services and wouldn’t hesitate to use him again. 5 Star!
Genny Bobroff
Genny Bobroff
17:33 18 Mar 20
Thank you so much Mark for your knowledge, help, support and finally arranging the sale of my silver flatware. With your expertise and knowledge of the market, you found a buyer very quickly, keeping me in the loop all the time and the transaction went through very smoothly.From our first conversation to the conclusion of the sale, everything was handled very professionally. You provided all the packaging and return addresses and all I had to do was take the box to the post office. Simple!I could not be more delighted and would not hesitate to come back to you if need be, or to recommend you and the company very highly on every level.
Ron Hilditch
Ron Hilditch
15:10 18 Mar 20
First class in every way! Excellent communications and service. More than happy with the experience.Mark thanks once again.
Jacky Stark
Jacky Stark
16:56 09 Mar 20
Mark sold two casks of whisky for me. He got a very good price for them and kept me informed through the rather slow process (which he had warned me about). Very pleased with the service.
Andrew Makepeace
Andrew Makepeace
17:04 04 Mar 20
Excellent professional service, Mark kept us well informed throughout and even obtained a higher price when it came to the sale. Would have no hesitation in using again or recommending. Thank you
Christine Jones Bateman
Christine Jones Bateman
10:37 04 Mar 20
Very happy with the service that Mark provides. He is very professional and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend him.
Jochmoal Baxter
Jochmoal Baxter
13:08 17 Feb 20
A friendly and honest service
Gary Toyne
Gary Toyne
19:14 13 Feb 20
Excellent professional service. Thanks Mark!
Caroline Hart
Caroline Hart
13:03 03 Feb 20
Mark offers a brilliant, easy and efficient service. I have used this twice now and both occasions have been simple and fast. I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend.
jane lee
jane lee
20:26 02 Feb 20
Very efficient and professional service. Hannah very helpful and kept me informed of the process thankyou
John Pruimboom
John Pruimboom
00:22 30 Jan 20
I sold my Bruichladdich hogshead cask through Mark and can highly recommend his services. Immediate follow-up and a very clear outlined agreement while Mark managed to get a good price for the cask in a fairly short time period. I’m very pleased and would not hesitate to utilize his services again in the future.
Lynn Murphy
Lynn Murphy
20:02 21 Jan 20
Very happy with the service from Mark Littler, professional and helpful every step of the way. Highly recommended...5 stars!
Myles Hannon
Myles Hannon
16:11 21 Jan 20
Very smooth transaction, great communications, very hassle free for me as a first time seller.
Dave Moss
Dave Moss
19:54 20 Jan 20
I recently sold a 25 year old cask of Scottish whisky through Mark. The market is not easy to tap into but Mark has good connections and got me an excellent price. He made the process very simple and completed all the necessary paperwork for me. Highly recommended!
Peter Caton
Peter Caton
19:11 10 Jan 20
Realy great professional service, would not hesitate to recommend Mark Littler LTD to anyone.
Richard Saunders
Richard Saunders
17:59 09 Jan 20
Great service, thanks Mark and Hannah.
jean green
jean green
11:04 04 Jan 20
Thank you Mark for the professional help you provided In relation to Probate valuation, and the sale of the items. Your help and honest reliable service, made a difficult time so much easier. I trust, and would highly recommend Mark Littler LTD.
Jackie Leonard
Jackie Leonard
09:37 06 Dec 19
Mark has been extremely helpful and efficient selling a silver canteen of cutlery for me and made the whole process very easy . His professionalism is without fault and he contacted me regularly to inform me of the progress of the sale. Thank you Mark for all your help and I would certainly use your services again .
Diana McDonnell
Diana McDonnell
16:12 02 Dec 19
I had a cask of 10 year old Bruichladdich to sell. Googled potential buyers. Some traders didn’t bother to reply, even though I had sent full details.Mark was brilliant from the word go ... very professional and kept me well informed of progress. I ended up with over 50% more from him than my next best offer! Payment was very prompt.I would highly recommend Mark. Don’t waste time with the others ... they will just cause exasperation!!Thanks Mark . Pleasure doing business with you !
Pete Austin
Pete Austin
13:20 20 Nov 19